Post by PaRaLuKe on Apr 12, 2002 15:36:43 GMT 7
There is one stupid thread in the bemaniac forum that caused some upset over the subject I had now...to clear much doubts, I am now pasting what I typed there over here...finally we can call Eurobeat our own~~~
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MY GOD. WHY ISN'T THERE a genre "Eurobeat"? Or Italobeat? Where they flew to? I have to do research for the sake of mankind...eh, Para-kind.
OK GUYS I managed to find out some sources and a basic conclusion to all these senseless stuff. Why are we debating all these is because ALL came from one major genre:
Electronic music.
Call all techno, trance, house, ambient, eurobeat.....all are thought originally because of hi-speed electronic music. All has a slightly different history, and though I wouldn't want to disappoint Bubbles, but Eurobeat and Techno are really two different things, though THEY CAME OUT IN AROUND THE SAME PERIOD which confuses people I guess.
Both Eurobeat (the first generation) and techno appeared as traces in the early 70s and evolved ever since.
Eurobeat (aptly named "European Beat") appeared in early 70s and was thought to be "GAY" (in this area of time "Hi-NRG" music term came into the picture) and stuff so it died down...till 80s when the word "Eurobeat" is originally coined up with the likes of Bananarama and Kylie Minogue (if you don't know their songs, think "Love In The First Degree" and "I Should Be So Lucky") and that was the Primary Eurobeat Boom.
The Second Eurobeat Boom was in the 90s with the Japanese being so gaga over the music and with MAX helping out (of course AVEX TRAX), and familiar eurobeat artistes like Lolita, Virginelle singing to the rhythm of Eurobeat, these are not the ones we will miss out.
The Third Eurobeat Boom lay after 1999 with SMAP's Takuya Kimura dancing Para Para with Eurobeat, led the Japanese to yet another rhythm to the grace of Eurobeat...and stretching till now.
Come to techno, it was first thought of (I'm not 100% sure) by a German electronic music group known as "Kraftwerk" in 1971 and actually the idea of techno is quite vague in that period of time (actually much electronic music is) and Soul, Diso and Funk came before Techno actually was thought of.
Early 80s came along Ambient which is a derivative of Techno (somehow?) and mid-80s saw the development of House which is actually derived from DISCO.
Techno has since evolved into much other stuff apart from Ambient, we have "Acid" (1987), Europop (1987), Acid House (1988 ), New Beat (1988 ), Hardcore Techno (1989), Global House Nation (1989, this is a large one which form new substyles such as Italo House/Latin House (e.g. Black Box), Experimental Techno, Progressive House, Trance & Ambient House), Neo Techno (1991), Tekkno (1991), Disco House (1991), Ambient Wave (90s), Breakbeat (1991-1997) and Trance (1994-1997).
All these are sources from various websites in the net telling of similar information. From here we have conclusions:
1) Eurobeat and Techno are really two different things; they have the same ancestors though, which are from
2) European Electronic Music.
3) House is actually from Disco, and much development is also based in US (Chicago, New York) apart from the traditional European grounds.
4) Eurobeat's derivative idea came from Hi-NRG. Hi-NRG is a major genre in the european scene of electronic music based on similar concepts like Eurobeat, come Italo-NRG, probably ItaloBeat and many others. Eurodance's concept however, may seem to come close to Hi-NRG and discopop.
Apart from my deduction of Eurodance, the information I got above are accurate as from the sources from the net, which I seek to believe to be true and accurate in itself.
I hope this information will clear most doubts that we have in this thread.
Anyway, I hope the guys here are not too overly offended by the stuff going on in the thread which seems a little heated up at times. As long as we are enjoying music, dancing to Eurobeat and Para Para...sometimes we shouldn't matter that much but at the same time, I believe by knowing this we enriched ourselves with brand new knowledge. Agreeable?
P/S to add on, Aqua does Eurodance, which I think is much confirmed. Aqua/Vengaboys style are actually quite varying from Eurobeat in a notch or two though you can debate songs like Ike Ike sounds uncannily like Aqua or VengaBoys. hehehehe...
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MY GOD. WHY ISN'T THERE a genre "Eurobeat"? Or Italobeat? Where they flew to? I have to do research for the sake of mankind...eh, Para-kind.
OK GUYS I managed to find out some sources and a basic conclusion to all these senseless stuff. Why are we debating all these is because ALL came from one major genre:
Electronic music.
Call all techno, trance, house, ambient, eurobeat.....all are thought originally because of hi-speed electronic music. All has a slightly different history, and though I wouldn't want to disappoint Bubbles, but Eurobeat and Techno are really two different things, though THEY CAME OUT IN AROUND THE SAME PERIOD which confuses people I guess.
Both Eurobeat (the first generation) and techno appeared as traces in the early 70s and evolved ever since.
Eurobeat (aptly named "European Beat") appeared in early 70s and was thought to be "GAY" (in this area of time "Hi-NRG" music term came into the picture) and stuff so it died down...till 80s when the word "Eurobeat" is originally coined up with the likes of Bananarama and Kylie Minogue (if you don't know their songs, think "Love In The First Degree" and "I Should Be So Lucky") and that was the Primary Eurobeat Boom.
The Second Eurobeat Boom was in the 90s with the Japanese being so gaga over the music and with MAX helping out (of course AVEX TRAX), and familiar eurobeat artistes like Lolita, Virginelle singing to the rhythm of Eurobeat, these are not the ones we will miss out.
The Third Eurobeat Boom lay after 1999 with SMAP's Takuya Kimura dancing Para Para with Eurobeat, led the Japanese to yet another rhythm to the grace of Eurobeat...and stretching till now.
Come to techno, it was first thought of (I'm not 100% sure) by a German electronic music group known as "Kraftwerk" in 1971 and actually the idea of techno is quite vague in that period of time (actually much electronic music is) and Soul, Diso and Funk came before Techno actually was thought of.
Early 80s came along Ambient which is a derivative of Techno (somehow?) and mid-80s saw the development of House which is actually derived from DISCO.
Techno has since evolved into much other stuff apart from Ambient, we have "Acid" (1987), Europop (1987), Acid House (1988 ), New Beat (1988 ), Hardcore Techno (1989), Global House Nation (1989, this is a large one which form new substyles such as Italo House/Latin House (e.g. Black Box), Experimental Techno, Progressive House, Trance & Ambient House), Neo Techno (1991), Tekkno (1991), Disco House (1991), Ambient Wave (90s), Breakbeat (1991-1997) and Trance (1994-1997).
All these are sources from various websites in the net telling of similar information. From here we have conclusions:
1) Eurobeat and Techno are really two different things; they have the same ancestors though, which are from
2) European Electronic Music.
3) House is actually from Disco, and much development is also based in US (Chicago, New York) apart from the traditional European grounds.
4) Eurobeat's derivative idea came from Hi-NRG. Hi-NRG is a major genre in the european scene of electronic music based on similar concepts like Eurobeat, come Italo-NRG, probably ItaloBeat and many others. Eurodance's concept however, may seem to come close to Hi-NRG and discopop.
Apart from my deduction of Eurodance, the information I got above are accurate as from the sources from the net, which I seek to believe to be true and accurate in itself.
I hope this information will clear most doubts that we have in this thread.
Anyway, I hope the guys here are not too overly offended by the stuff going on in the thread which seems a little heated up at times. As long as we are enjoying music, dancing to Eurobeat and Para Para...sometimes we shouldn't matter that much but at the same time, I believe by knowing this we enriched ourselves with brand new knowledge. Agreeable?
P/S to add on, Aqua does Eurodance, which I think is much confirmed. Aqua/Vengaboys style are actually quite varying from Eurobeat in a notch or two though you can debate songs like Ike Ike sounds uncannily like Aqua or VengaBoys. hehehehe...
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